Re: Re: gun control

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It's amazing how people can't put some of their beliefs and opinions down into the carpet and step back from their feelings for a while, just to really take a look at both sides- be ready to eat a bit of humble pie if necessary, but maybe not; just have their minds open, and quit hunting for the slightest little reason to sling insults or be insulted. Everyone already knows it's an emotionally charged topic, but few actually take time to truly look into the whole picture with a mind that's open to tasting the whole pupu platter, and not just those aspects which support only their own opinion and ignore any facts that go to the contrary. That's when people can actually understand the goals that each other has overall; and possibly find out that they are not that different, but their approach is. This loud and noisy banter gets nothing done and typically there's never anything good that results from an argument except hurt feelings and more arguing... nothing accomplished for either person. " If I can't get what I want then I'll make sure you don't either!" Even if some of what the other person is saying happens to be something you agree with also. It's tit for tat; a bunch of chimpanzees in a mosh pit with baseball bats! There's a visual from the outside for ya. ... sprinkle some cookies on one side and some water on the other and see what happens... just speculating. Gun control: there's a ton of arguments and the facts keep surfacing but they have become the triggers for the other side to fly off the handle about. Then they are back where they started. For those who love a good fight, there's a simple formula to get a fun workout. But you didn't accomplish anything else. Example: there's a premise that almost suggests that those who know nothing about guns in general, believe they are capable of taking action on their own and go about killing innocent children. Well that's an insult to those people. Unless they really believe that. I'd want to get to know what I was talking about the first time I got called out onto the carpet and discovered that my knowledge was severely lacking. Or I would bow out and watch from the sideline. Either way, it's a learning experience, not grounds for screaming at the person who bested me. So it's likely that one faction is concerned with"common sense" laws getting more and more invasive to their rightful and lawful ownership of their guns, and they aren't the problem, so they don't want the extra hassle that goes along with legal gun ownership, while the people who could care less about the legalities of what they are doing won't be subject to that nonsense. It's a lot easier to govern those who will play by those rules, but it makes it a handicap and ensures that those that don't play by those rules will get the edge. There's so many triggers, but the commonality they share are the facts they are based on. They become almost iconic when they have an element of irrefutable truth yet can't seem to be understood somehow by the other side. For instance, it seems to me that there's this fantasy viewpoint held up high for everyone to see. But it's not real at all, yet somehow if we all vote for this new law, it will become a reality... well maybe we could get closer to that utopia... well maybe a teeny bit closer and any bit is good enough(for a start)... does someone have a percentage or some measurement of how successful gun laws really are? What about that idea of it being a start? That's obviously only a beginning? These laws when spelled out on paper looks really attractive to those who don't care about guns. But are they doing more damage to the wrong faction of those who shouldn't be affected by it? That faction of people think so, and they have just exactly the same rights as that other group does. How come that isn't taken into consideration and instead it's all about steering the jalopy in this direction now.... then it'll be the other direction again but never just hold the wheel and be nice about it. " Just get rid of all the"assault"rifles" (smiley goes here).... how exactly can that happen? Never mind the fact that "assault" is not a noun at all. That's bad English. It describes what people do to each other from time to time, and they tend to use prickly looking rifles and pistols when they are beating down doors and doing other violence. But that doesn't seem to matter and the name sticks without a definition other than it's usually black, looks prickly, and holds more rounds than someone should"need"if they are using it for hunting. Period. Is there another example of an adjective being used to describe person place or thing? See how all that diatribe causes a drift away from the original subject at the top of the last paragraph or two? The answer to the question was not examined with any respectful clarity! How does any new law affect people who don't care about laws? It could make them get caught breaking that law, but it won't take away the rifles.... just one possibly. Did anyone grab the figures on the number of guns in America? I haven't looked recently and that doesn't matter right now either. Suffice it to be reasonable to say that the number of guns out in America is insurmountable, and a new squeaky law is causing what I believe could be a tort against those who enjoy having guns. Never mind why they need them or how many"bullets" they need... who decides that anyway? What gives anyone the right to impose their opinions upon anyone else? If they aren't the problem causing group of people, then leave them alone as you would want to be left alone to your own freedoms. Besides that, I can point out that it's already illegal to shoot people at schools or anywhere else and responsible individuals are not to blame for that. It's already illegal to break into houses and steal guns etc, but that happens anyway. I can be fairly safe by stating that new laws are not the answer because they put undue hardship on those who follow them and does very little to curb the people and their actions that they target. Most of the time they are even ambiguous because it's extra on top of what is already illegal anyway. It's as if somehow there's no other ways people can try to possibly help curb some of the problems these proposed new laws are addressing or not addressing. We know that school shootings happen. They do. Knee jerk to "well if those guns were banned and not on the streets, this wouldn't have happened" I agree with the concept, but there is reality to consider. It governs that statement. In the real world in which we live, all those guns are out on the streets now already. There's nothing any law is going to do that will erase that fact. How about banning those few totally insane and crazy homicidal maniacs instead? Well that would get complicated and will probably lead to normal people who maybe only irate about something ending up in some Romper Room somewhere... we could use them for experiments! No wait, that's inhumane and they still have the right to life, liberty, and merely the pursuit of happiness... within reason... when they say you are fine that is...So how about making sure that the people who are there, (in the trenches so to speak), and able bodied, such as school teachers and staff, all have fire extinguishers in case of a fire (hey, it's the same as a deadbeat getting ready to shoot up that school but not as controversial so maybe someone will hear the words and get meaning from them)... like a fire, a fire extinguisher is a must but you also call 911 and in the meantime you do everything you can to suppress the dreaded fire even against all odds before you try to save yourself. Or you run and do nothing, your choice. But that choice IS yours and you do have a choice. I'm talking about arming teachers and other staff as a deterrent for someone who might be thinking about it but not too committed yet. It would be easier if they knew they would be in a place where they will be the only person that has a gun. At least for a while. With responsible people being armed, there's a lot better likelihood that it either won't take place, or the shooter will be taken out before they kill more people. If teachers are not responsible enough to be able to undergo some handgun safety and gain familiarity with one enough to use it properly, I wouldn't want them instilling their ways unto my children. That may not be the great and only solution, but arming people does have a way of evening the odds when there's a shooter running amok. To me, it seems like it has the best chance of making it a safer school than some attempt to ban some certain type of gun instead. More guns!NO! Yea, no.... just more people who are responsible actually having a mandate to follow accompanied with the responsibility which goes along with carrying a gun. They will get very familiar with those responsibilities and they will realize there's a whole bunch of twigs to carry in that bundle of olive branches that represent our freedoms. It's not a flippant choice to decide to carry and those who don't want to know don't have the authority to tell anyone that it's any light hearted thing as if no thought went into it... to carry a concealed handgun. That is insulting to another group. I'm not at all trying to be offensive, but you want to learn how to use a gun and how they work, but you never want to be forced to use a gun for self defense, but it's really nice to know it's there if you should ever need it. It's a heavy choice, but you all have it. If school staff get to bear their arms and not just the bad guys, what effects will there be? Who has responsibility, and why? What outcomes do you think will possibly occur? Who will be affected the most and why? People such as those who are opposed to this idea won't run out and get a gun, so it won't affect them by having teachers and other staff trained how to be safe with a gun, and it won't increase the staggering number of guns already on the street either. It will affect criminals though, and how can anyone claim it wouldn't? Or am I totally off in whatever field you wish to have me in? Have other laws made progress yet when examined from a national perspective and not picking out little victories and ignore other facts to the contrary? Why do people continue to want more government? They must want more rules to follow, or wait... gun laws won't bother them the least bit cause they don't own any guns and will not need one and refuse to learn about them because guns are inherently bad and they're should be a law against them...nuff said... with s wave of the hand without looking at you and that shake off the newspaper we all know so well... it's a brush off, and they feel they don't need to educate themselves about that which they believe is their enemy... and it's painfully obvious to those who did bother to educate themselves about the workings of a gun... look up a few of the words I put in quotes for no apparent reason and in that context of what is said, there will be the reason I quoted them. There's no need to know because I won't need one, because that won't be an option for me should a situation I land in somehow could have been prevented with my gun.. we will not ever know now if that option is never tested, so they have a self prophecy going on. We all have choices and those should never go away. I don't want to be governed more just on face value. You can trust them to operate with your own best interest in mind...yea. we put you in a closet with no way out until you stopped having nicotine withdraw. It was for your best interest... would that be something I can do with your permission? What if I just did it against your will after you told me to, then changed your mind? Remember that it's possible to put any law up on trial should any juror feel that the accused is guilty of breaking a law but that law they broke is unconstitutional. Then the law itself becomes the defendant. But even a judge cannot do that! That makes one juror a very powerful person indeed. That's perhaps the most important of all since people have forgotten that jury nullification is not something of the past. But it will be if it goes unused, and people won't even know it is gone. Thanks for reading. I did this all using swype so there's bound to be a few perfectly spelled words that have nothing to do with the content. I apologize for those and I have gone through this at least one time. It's a good discussion too and I am not without my own frustration on it.