re:To the imbecile who knows jack about Dems, Reps and Tulsa

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"slack jawed, backwoods dipsheeeeiit" You're getting carried away with yourself aren't you? Your words above are the typical kind of slurs Democrats or Dixiecrats used against Blacks in the "good ole' days" The Nixon era was fifty years ago and to compare today's Republican Party to that of Nixon's 'Southern Strategy" is as irrelevant as holding today's Democrats responsible for the Confederacy. This constant blame game solves nothing, we're not responsible for the sins of others no matter how much you like it to be. Exactly how many of these "backwoods" so called Republicans are there? Where exactly are the "backwoods"? Why would you think these people that back in the days of slavery when they could barely afford a par of shoes would be raving racists? For the record, how is guzzling beer on a holiday more worthy of consideration than posting on CL? Today, there is no "Southern Strategy"akin to Nixon's and if you think of yourself as an enlightened individual you should have the wherewithal to stop with this nonsense. Racism is no more alive in the South than anywhere else in the country. The South has successfully integrated minorities as everywhere else, blended families abound in the South, Black, White, Brown and Asian live side by side. But it's interesting that Democrats who carry the burden of their racist past historically are the only ones fanning the flames by accusing Republicans for racist tendencies which don't exist. Your revisionism is staggeringly toxic and misplaced. This endless attempt to connect the long deseased Dixiecrats to Republicans is juvenile. Maybe if you drank a little less beer, stopped virtue signally your patriotism over burnt hotdogs on a grill yesterday and talked about current issues you might make some headway. Sadly back then Tulsa was a stronghold for Democrats forced to tolerate a thriving Black community but be they Democrat or Republican today those hate mongers don't exist. These areas of rampant racism are relics of the past and it's long over due for people like yourself who think living out in the backwoods equals raving racists tendencies. There's no disgrace working with your hands for a living, when you get your car fixed or your roof replaced you thank those people because you needed them to do something you haven't a clue how to do yourself. What does it say about you while with your friends you dismiss them as ignorant bums because they didn't go for a college education yet without them and their labor your life would be a mess because your handyman skills are limited to building a bookcase from IKEA? Grow up! This is meant for the slack jawed, backwoods dipsheeeeiit who likes to respond to my posts and then flag them. I’ll make one last attempt to reply, but that’s it. Doesn’t make sense to keep posting if you’re just going to flag me every time. What’s the point, right? BTW, I see you posted on Memorial Day. Do you ever stop trolling CL politics? I was out honoring our fallen, spending time with the family, and drinking beer on Memorial Day. Looks like you have a different set of priorities. First off, Yes, I get that you are a child and you like to play with pictures. No confusion there. Estimates of between 73 and 300 dead are definitely a part of the official commission report on the Greenwood massacre. It’s a 200 page report. Funny how you just highlighted the two sentences that help bolster your claim. Estimates are not “worthless” in a situation like this. Any forensic specialist will tell you that estimates can be fairly accurate when investigating genocidal events. Scientists who’ve studied the holocaust, and other mass killings that are similar in nature, use a variety methods and techniques that can produce solid evidence. The fact that the victims were shoveled into unmarked mass graves does make it challenging, though. Regardless of how many were murdered, the manner in which they died suggests it was something other than, “fault on both sides,” and that’s putting it mildly. Lynchings and mass burials do not point to mutual combat. Those people were hunted down, rounded up and hanged! Among other things. Read some of the accounts of the atrocities in that copy of the commission report you keep handy. A white mob destroyed 35 square blocks of what was considered one of the wealthiest black communities in the US at the time. The commission report also found that the city of Tulsa and its white residents conspired against its black citizens. I noticed you left that part out too. The large group of black men that showed up at the sheriffs station were there to protect Rowland and the sheriff from the white mob. You had it the other way around in your post. Surprising when you consider all the crying you did about truth twisting. I'm just joking. It’s not surprising at all. I fully expect that what you’ll try and tell me next is that the citizens of Greenwood hung themselves? That white mob was definitely looking to hang Rowland, and they would have had they got their hands on him. The group of black men that showed up at the sheriffs office were merely trying to prevent that from happening. Blacks had every reason to be fearful of violent reprisal from whites back then. Greenwood is just the tip of the iceberg. There are at least 50 other recorded such attacks, on black communities in the south, from the period of reconstruction through the 1950’s. Details of these attacks are atrocious. That doesn’t even begin to include the many horrors suffered by blacks while they were enslaved. Many slave owners committed unspeakable acts of violence against their slaves. Rapes and brutal whippings were common place. In the US, at least 4400 blacks were hanged in acts of racial terror between 1877 and 1950. Again, I fail to see how lynchings, rapes, whippings, and mob style attacks constitutes “fault on both sides.” Now, let’s address your erroneous claims about the Dems being the party of slavery, and blacks being lazy. Like I said before, no Northern Democrats wanted to keep their slaves, or prevent blacks from voting. The Democratic Jim Crow states who apposed emancipation, and voting rights for blacks, and supported the kkk, are all the same cracker barrel states who support Rump and vote Republican today. Those state’s core political beliefs have not changed one iota. The Southern Republicans of today would have been the Dixie Democrats pre-Civil Rights. They merely changed their party affiliation when Nixon was elected. Again, THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED. It was Nixon’s “southern strategy” to appeal to racist Democrats who resented the party’s liberal northern and western wings and to use racism to convert them into southern Republicans and thereby win a majority of electoral votes in the south. Democrats depended for a century on the Southern Jim Crow states, which is why Republicans were dominant in presidential elections in the late 19th and early 20th century. That all changed with the Great Depression when Democrats aligned with poor farmers and workers to create a formidable labor-based majority under FDR (He was elected to four terms! before a 50s constitutional amendment initiated by Republicans limited presidential terms to two). Since racism in America was pretty widespread, the Dems stayed in power through the 30s and 40s by appealing to the union working men (and they were all men) in the north while holding on to its Jim Crow white cracker vote in the south (which wasn’t hard because blacks were not allowed to vote in most southern states). By the late 50s this was getting to be a problem: trying to support progressive Demos in the north while depending on southern anti-Republican (i.e. anti-emancipation) Democrats in the south. The 1960 ticket of John Kennedy (northern liberal) and LBJ (Texas senator) underscored this tension. (To show the difference between then and now, Kennedy won the 1960 election by 100,000 votes and paper-thin electoral state margins, but Nixon conceded the next day). After Kennedy’s assassination, LBJ, while he waged war in Vietnam, became a flaming domestic liberal: passing the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and creating Medicare…By 1968 Nixon was running again for President and trying out the “new” Republican “southern strategy” by which he campaigned through the south as a (wink, wink) “conservative” candidate (i.e. racist). Despite the fact that Alabama Governor George Wallace was also running for President (and took five southern states’ electoral votes) Nixon’s point was made and by 1972 the South went almost completely Republican in Nixon's landslide whipping of liberal Demo George McGovern (who barely won two northern states!). South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond changed his party registration from Democrat to Republican. It was a big deal. If Jimmy Carter hadn’t been governor of Georgia (and therefore took several Southern states in the 1976 election following Nixon’s impeachment), a Democrat would not have won. Sure enough, Reagan picked up Nixon’s southern strategy in 1980 by opening his presidential campaign in Jefferson, Mississippi (where three civil rights workers were murdered in 1965). He complained about “welfare queens” and “shiftless unemployed” (which everyone understood to mean black mothers and black men) and swept Carter out of office in another GOP landslide. Republicans dominated presidential elections until 1992 when Bill Clinton (another southern governor—Arkansas) broke the solid south open again. And if Ross Perot hadn’t run in that election and pulled votes from George H.W. Bush, Clinton would not have won. Really, it wasn’t until Barak Obama that the Demos successfully reassembled a coalition that could appeal to both urban voters and rural farmers impacted by the Great Recession. And if the Demos stayed home (as they did with Hillary), the Republicans would have been guaranteed a win in 2020. However, social media has changed everything now. Trump, with his dominance of the GOP, has demonstrated what a soulless carnival barker can do if he can tweet to an audience of 66 million Americans his most foolish and stupid thoughts. They believe him because they all think they are having personal contact with a celebrity! Now that Rump has left the White House, he is desperately trying to put together an entertainment and “news” operation to sustain a high celebrity visibility via social media. If QAnon can succeed in this environment then I suppose anything’s possible. With regard to the systemic racism you say the Democratic Party inflicts on black Americans that makes them “lazy.” To what part of Democratic policy are you referring? The voting rights act? You really have to have your head up your ass to believe blacks in the south could vote prior to 1965. Or Medicare? Or affordable health care? I’ll bet those “hard working” crackers in those red states are happy to collect Medicare and Social Security. I’m sure many of them are covered by some version of Obamacare too. Really, anyone who refers to black people as “lazy” isn’t worth a warm pitcher of spit.