re: Jim crow, etc

Troy MI

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"To say that the Civil Rights Era began in the 60's is not only misleading but false. While Democrats were forming their enforcement (KKK) arm of their party, the newly formed Republican Party was pushing for Construction changes regarding Civil rights." I read through the entire conversation and I don't see anyone involved claiming the Civil rights era began in the 60s. The civil rights act was a climactic moment, yes. Like anything, political and social movements are rarely instantaneous or binary. The civil rights movement spanned many decades, and so did the shift in core tenets of the two parties. I'm not a historian (even in the amateur sense), nor was I alive in the 60s, but I know how to look at two sides of an issue and want to teach this skill to my fellow humans. One of the earlier posters claimed that only Repubs voted for the civil rights act. Now you're saying that a larger % of Repubs voted for the civil rights act than dems. The latter is true, but the former was a clear falsehood. Curiously, the people following up to "set the record strait on how bad democrats are" didn't address that falsehood. So, I felt obligated. You can also see from looking at voting records that location was an even greater predictor of civil rights Yay or Nay than party affiliation. Overwhelmingly, the Nays were from the south and especially the southeast, and when not from the south, they were from rural states. The senate Nays were from: Alabama (2), Louisiana (2), Georgia (2), Florida (2), Arkansas (2), North Carolina (2), South Carolina (2) Tennessee (2) Mississippi (2), Virginia (2), West Virginia (1) New Mexico (1), Texas (1) Iowa (1), Wyoming (1), Arizona (1), New Hampshire (1). From the above, you can see that: 1) The vast majority of Nays came from the southeast, a comparatively small region of the US. 2) Other than one vote in NH, the entire NE seaboard, the entire Midwest, and entire west coast voted Yay. 3) In today's national politics, the locations where those Nay votes came from lean republican (most of them reliably) You can also read up on any of the senators or congressmen that voted Nay - I don't have time to do that - but I'd bet that most if not all are from the conservative wing of the party. Generally, conservatives oppose change, and for many southerners, desegregation and civil liberties were a huge change. Maybe we don't always need change - I'm not just here to trash conservatives, believe it or not. I just find it silly that people talk about what conservative democrats from many decades ago did, in order to oppose modern liberalism. You may also want to understand the perspective, however wrong and immoral, of those who voted Nay. They were largely votes cast in states that had "Jim Crow" laws. So the people who voted "Nay" were the ones who would be most directly impacted by the civil rights act - those in the Southeast. This perspective makes a heck of a lot more sense than "dem bad". More like "southern states wanna keep doing southern state stuff" I rest my case.